vista voip

Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message

Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video. (Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.

Windows Live Messenger 8 is an entirely new version of Microsofts consumer Instant Messenging client which includes various capabilities that range from PC to PC calling capabilities, video messaging, integration with Media Center so you can get recommendations from friends about what they are watching and just some really cool stuff, not to mention the new folder sharing capabilities. Windows Messenger 5.1 was included in only Windows XP, so far it has been removed from Vista, no word if its coming back, it was considered the corporate version of Microsoft IM clients, and featured integration with Microsoft Exchange. The successor to Windows Messenger 5.1 I believe is Microsoft Office Communicator, part of their Office Live Meeting product line.

(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?

No, well I don't think so, I can't find any such functionality in the product.

So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?

Well, this is for corporate users and some of UMS capabilities will come at a cost to corporations in a higher end version of Exchange 2007 and you will need 64-bit hardware to run it.

All very confising ? I don't know, kinda. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service. "Grumpy" wrote in message

Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

Thanks again for your reply, its all a bit clearer now, Vista 64bit (Duel - when available) Ultimate seems the way to go !
But if in doubt, 'Just use two empty jam tins and a long piece of string" LOL
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:

Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video. Windows Live Messenger 8 is an entirely new version of Microsofts consumer Instant Messenging client which includes various capabilities that range from PC to PC calling capabilities, video messaging, integration with Media Center so you can get recommendations from friends about what they are watching and just some really cool stuff, not to mention the new folder sharing capabilities. Windows Messenger 5.1 was included in only Windows XP, so far it has been removed from Vista, no word if its coming back, it was considered the corporate version of Microsoft IM clients, and featured integration with Microsoft Exchange. The successor to Windows Messenger 5.1 I believe is Microsoft Office Communicator, part of their Office Live Meeting product line.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ? No, well I don't think so, I can't find any such functionality in the product.
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ? Well, this is for corporate users and some of UMS capabilities will come at a cost to corporations in a higher end version of Exchange 2007 and you will need 64-bit hardware to run it.
All very confising ? I don't know, kinda. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service. "Grumpy" wrote in message Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

But if in doubt, 'Just use two empty jam tins and a long piece of string" LOL LOL!

Its confusing yes, especially with some Live products sharing the same name. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message

Thanks again for your reply, its all a bit clearer now, Vista 64bit (Duel - when available) Ultimate seems the way to go !
But if in doubt, 'Just use two empty jam tins and a long piece of string" LOL
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video. Windows Live Messenger 8 is an entirely new version of Microsofts consumer Instant Messenging client which includes various capabilities that range from PC to PC calling capabilities, video messaging, integration with Media Center so you can get recommendations from friends about what they are watching and just some really cool stuff, not to mention the new folder sharing capabilities. Windows Messenger 5.1 was included in only Windows XP, so far it has been removed from Vista, no word if its coming back, it was considered the corporate version of Microsoft IM clients, and featured integration with Microsoft Exchange. The successor to Windows Messenger 5.1 I believe is Microsoft Office Communicator, part of their Office Live Meeting product line.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ? No, well I don't think so, I can't find any such functionality in the product.
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ? Well, this is for corporate users and some of UMS capabilities will come at a cost to corporations in a higher end version of Exchange 2007 and you will need 64-bit hardware to run it.
All very confising ? I don't know, kinda. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service. "Grumpy" wrote in message Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

Hi Grumpy,
All of Andre's responses were too confusing for me, so here's the low-down:
Windows Vista is only a generic operating system. Vista will "bundle" Mail, Media Player, some basic games and security tools.
Windows Live Messenger is improved "MSN Messenger" and "Windows Messenger" products (yes). It does your IM, PC-to-PC audio/video, and similar stuff.
Windows Mail is an improved "Outlook Express" email and Newsgroups application. It does *not* include additional communications toys (no voicemail, no voip-enabled anything).
Microsoft Exchange 2007 Server is a "unified" *SERVER* software solution allowing organizations to access communication features like email, IM (within a closed group), PC-to-PC audio/video, and other collaboration tools. They are branding this as a "unified messaging system" of services.
SO, to access VoIP features within Windows Vista you must use other programs out there (Skype, Live Messenger, Gizmondo, etc).
- naseru
"Grumpy" wrote in message

Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

Windows Live Messenger 8 is an entirely new version of Microsofts consumer Instant Messenging client which includes various capabilities that range from PC to PC calling capabilities, video messaging, integration with Media Center so you can get recommendations from friends about what they are watching and just some really cool stuff, not to mention the new folder sharing capabilities. Windows Messenger 5.1 was included in only Windows XP, so far it has been removed from Vista, no word if its coming back, it was considered the corporate version of Microsoft IM clients, and featured integration with Microsoft Exchange. The successor to Windows Messenger 5.1 I believe is Microsoft Office Communicator, part of their Office Live Meeting product line.

Nothing I said is confusing, I explained the differentiations and capabilities of Microsoft various IM Clients are available to the public. If you actually did some research, you will realize that Microsoft currently has three IM Clients, Windows Messenger 5.1, MSN Messenger 7.5 and Office Communicator 1.0.
Windows Messenger 5.1 - integrated instant messaging in Windows XP with capabilities for integrating with Exchange Server.
MSN Messenger - Consumer instant messaging, not much difference from Windows Messenger except for tighter integration with other MSN products and services, no support for Exchange Server.
Office Communicator - Another IM client that features Corporate instant messaging capabilities, integration with MSN Messenger, Active Directory, Exchange Server and VOIP and you can IM with other clients from Yahoo and AOL.
Microsoft Exchange 2007 Server is a "unified" *SERVER* software solution allowing organizations to access communication features like email, IM (within a closed group), PC-to-PC audio/video, and other collaboration tools. They are branding this as a "unified messaging system" of services.

Again, nothing confusing, since I specified the targetted audience - Corporations, so your emphasis on the word "Server" is very redundant. --

-- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Naseru" wrote in message

Hi Grumpy,
All of Andre's responses were too confusing for me, so here's the low-down:
Windows Vista is only a generic operating system. Vista will "bundle" Mail, Media Player, some basic games and security tools.
Windows Live Messenger is improved "MSN Messenger" and "Windows Messenger" products (yes). It does your IM, PC-to-PC audio/video, and similar stuff.
Windows Mail is an improved "Outlook Express" email and Newsgroups application. It does *not* include additional communications toys (no voicemail, no voip-enabled anything).
Microsoft Exchange 2007 Server is a "unified" *SERVER* software solution allowing organizations to access communication features like email, IM (within a closed group), PC-to-PC audio/video, and other collaboration tools. They are branding this as a "unified messaging system" of services.
SO, to access VoIP features within Windows Vista you must use other programs out there (Skype, Live Messenger, Gizmondo, etc).
- naseru
"Grumpy" wrote in message Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?

I do *NOT* want that crap bundled with any OS. There is already too much junk built into Windows.
Why can't you just go the the store, or search Google, and BUY your VOIP package?

Because of anti-trust stuff, none of the Windows Live services will be bundled with Vista - this was one of the main reasons why Windows Messenger went (and the fact that it was old and hardly anyone used it!) - all the Windows Live services will be available to use either from a web browser or as a free/trial limit.
-- Zack Whittaker » ZackNET Enterprises: www.zacknet.co.uk » MSBlog on ResDev: www.msblog.org » Vista Knowledge Base: www.vistabase.co.uk » This mailing is provided "as is" with no warranties, and confers no rights. All opinions expressed are those of myself unless stated so, and not of my employer, best friend, Ghandi, my mother or my cat. Glad we cleared that up!
--: Original message follows :-- "Noozer" wrote in message

Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
I do *NOT* want that crap bundled with any OS. There is already too much junk built into Windows.
Why can't you just go the the store, or search Google, and BUY your VOIP package?

Heh. Not to have a public debate about this, let's get 2 things straight:
1. My background is enterprise solutions -- so, yes, I'm quite familiar with their full range of offerings. However, considering us not knowing whether the OP is business-centric or consumer-centric, it is most effective to simply refer to products familiar with Joe User.
2. The redundancy of "server" was intentional; it was meant to (understandably) emphasize that average computer users (Joe User) is not going to research and deploy those solutions when uploading his baby pictures and browsing MySpace.
The objective was not confuse-the-user-more but, rather, simplify the answers to un-confuse any/all readers with similar questions.
You're welcome.
- naseru
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote in message

Windows Live Messenger 8 is an entirely new version of Microsofts consumer Instant Messenging client which includes various capabilities that range from PC to PC calling capabilities, video messaging, integration with Media Center so you can get recommendations from friends about what they are watching and just some really cool stuff, not to mention the new folder sharing capabilities. Windows Messenger 5.1 was included in only Windows XP, so far it has been removed from Vista, no word if its coming back, it was considered the corporate version of Microsoft IM clients, and featured integration with Microsoft Exchange. The successor to Windows Messenger 5.1 I believe is Microsoft Office Communicator, part of their Office Live Meeting product line.
Nothing I said is confusing, I explained the differentiations and capabilities of Microsoft various IM Clients are available to the public. If you actually did some research, you will realize that Microsoft currently has three IM Clients, Windows Messenger 5.1, MSN Messenger 7.5 and Office Communicator 1.0.
Windows Messenger 5.1 - integrated instant messaging in Windows XP with capabilities for integrating with Exchange Server.
MSN Messenger - Consumer instant messaging, not much difference from Windows Messenger except for tighter integration with other MSN products and services, no support for Exchange Server.
Office Communicator - Another IM client that features Corporate instant messaging capabilities, integration with MSN Messenger, Active Directory, Exchange Server and VOIP and you can IM with other clients from Yahoo and AOL.
Microsoft Exchange 2007 Server is a "unified" *SERVER* software solution allowing organizations to access communication features like email, IM (within a closed group), PC-to-PC audio/video, and other collaboration tools. They are branding this as a "unified messaging system" of services. Again, nothing confusing, since I specified the targetted audience - Corporations, so your emphasis on the word "Server" is very redundant. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Naseru" wrote in message Hi Grumpy,
All of Andre's responses were too confusing for me, so here's the low-down:
Windows Vista is only a generic operating system. Vista will "bundle" Mail, Media Player, some basic games and security tools.
Windows Live Messenger is improved "MSN Messenger" and "Windows Messenger" products (yes). It does your IM, PC-to-PC audio/video, and similar stuff.
Windows Mail is an improved "Outlook Express" email and Newsgroups application. It does *not* include additional communications toys (no voicemail, no voip-enabled anything).
Microsoft Exchange 2007 Server is a "unified" *SERVER* software solution allowing organizations to access communication features like email, IM (within a closed group), PC-to-PC audio/video, and other collaboration tools. They are branding this as a "unified messaging system" of services.
SO, to access VoIP features within Windows Vista you must use other programs out there (Skype, Live Messenger, Gizmondo, etc).
- naseru
"Grumpy" wrote in message Thanks for your reply, Andre Da Costa.
Windows Live Messanger sounds as though its a development of the original Windows Messenger, and the old MSN Messenger 7.5 is just a fancy version of Windows Messenger with more features like Audio and Video.
(Vista) Windows Mail will probably have voice mail bulit-in ?
So us poor public are getting lost, as voice mail, video mail, video messaging, VOIP all appear to be mearging into a Unified Messaging System like on Exchange Server 2007, ?
All very confising ?
It would be great if all the VOIP's would talk to each other directly on the PC, instead of having to use inter-connect to "normal" phone service.
"Andre Da Costa [Extended64]" wrote:
I don't any mention of built in VOIP in the product guide. Windows Live Messenger 8 will feature such functionality, also Exchange Server 2007 will feature unified messaging capabilities. -- -- Andre Windows Connected | http://www.windowsconnected.com Extended64 | http://www.extended64.com Blog | http://www.extended64.com/blogs/andre http://spaces.msn.com/members/adacosta
"Grumpy" wrote in message Will final Vista have a bulit-in VOIP ?
If so could it be made to talk to existing popular VOIPs such as FireFly, Skype, etc ?

"Noozer" wrote:

Why can't you just go the the store, or search Google, and BUY your VOIP package?

Because I have 4 VOIP's and still find that I need more for PC-to-PC free or very cheap phone calls, without using interconnect to the normal phone systems.
I was just hoping the MS boffins would design a generic VOIP for Vista that would talk to most of the 50 odd VOIP's in the market place.
At present there does not appear to be a single international standard VOIP protocol, everyone is using their own, so most VOIP's will only talk directly PC-to-PC to PC's running the same VOIP software.
Thanks everyone, joe user, thats me, I have a better understanding of all MS offerings thanks to you guys.